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		<title>By: Another failed development policy in the works? &#171; ThinkChange India</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkchangeindia.org/2008/07/30/is-urbanization-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-3565</link>
		<dc:creator>Another failed development policy in the works? &#171; ThinkChange India</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] and discouraging rural schemes for poverty alleviation.  This debate also points back to an earlier post I wrote on urbanization.  Is this another development report gone [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and discouraging rural schemes for poverty alleviation.  This debate also points back to an earlier post I wrote on urbanization.  Is this another development report gone [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bolstering Rural Industries &#171; ThinkChange India</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkchangeindia.org/2008/07/30/is-urbanization-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-3562</link>
		<dc:creator>Bolstering Rural Industries &#171; ThinkChange India</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Posted on August 5, 2008 by Shital   The comments from a previous post questioning the value of urbanization discussed the need of developing rural industries and services. According to iGovernment, the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shital</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkchangeindia.org/2008/07/30/is-urbanization-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-3561</link>
		<dc:creator>Shital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Badhri&#039;s comments... the urban-rural relationship is very unbalanced right now. I supposed to connotation of urbanizing a rural area is a negative one for me - brings forth images of mega malls and other Western creations. If &quot;urbanizing&quot; means providing equal services, then, as I stated in the post, I&#039;m sure a greater proportion of the rural population would opt to stay in the villages (therefore addressing slum issues as well). Above all, I would stress planned urbanization, as Saul suggests in his comment - the haphazard development of villages would only exacerbate the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Badhri&#8217;s comments&#8230; the urban-rural relationship is very unbalanced right now. I supposed to connotation of urbanizing a rural area is a negative one for me &#8211; brings forth images of mega malls and other Western creations. If &#8220;urbanizing&#8221; means providing equal services, then, as I stated in the post, I&#8217;m sure a greater proportion of the rural population would opt to stay in the villages (therefore addressing slum issues as well). Above all, I would stress planned urbanization, as Saul suggests in his comment &#8211; the haphazard development of villages would only exacerbate the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Badhri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Badhri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antanu&#039;s point as I understand is  &quot;Urban areas provide better opportunity to earn and better facilities than rural areas. So, create more cities&quot;.

In my opinion, this is both right and wrong cities provide better opportunity to earn, but its priorities are not comparable to rural areas&quot;. Cities have no agricultural land and villages don&#039;t have software companies. Cities depend of villages for food, and villages on cities for money (and infrastructure). But this relationship isn&#039;t balanced, cities get enough food (from villages and from elsewhere) but villages don&#039;t get enough money in return. So, the movement from village to urban slums is not because the city life works, but because the village life doesn&#039;t. I think that is the part Antanu got wrong.

But, if Antanu&#039;s vision of &quot;urbanising&quot; rural areas means a small third-tier city closer to villages, which provides for a research center (funded by the city) that works on improving soil quality and agricultural output, a public health system that not only offers curative, but also preventive care, a well-funded free public school that offers education to village kids well that is precisely what is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antanu&#8217;s point as I understand is  &#8220;Urban areas provide better opportunity to earn and better facilities than rural areas. So, create more cities&#8221;.</p>
<p>In my opinion, this is both right and wrong cities provide better opportunity to earn, but its priorities are not comparable to rural areas&#8221;. Cities have no agricultural land and villages don&#8217;t have software companies. Cities depend of villages for food, and villages on cities for money (and infrastructure). But this relationship isn&#8217;t balanced, cities get enough food (from villages and from elsewhere) but villages don&#8217;t get enough money in return. So, the movement from village to urban slums is not because the city life works, but because the village life doesn&#8217;t. I think that is the part Antanu got wrong.</p>
<p>But, if Antanu&#8217;s vision of &#8220;urbanising&#8221; rural areas means a small third-tier city closer to villages, which provides for a research center (funded by the city) that works on improving soil quality and agricultural output, a public health system that not only offers curative, but also preventive care, a well-funded free public school that offers education to village kids well that is precisely what is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Saul Wall</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkchangeindia.org/2008/07/30/is-urbanization-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-3559</link>
		<dc:creator>Saul Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urbanization is not all about moving everyone to the two biggest cities. While major cities do get a lot of the new urban dwellers, moving from a tiny cluster of huts to a tiny town in a form of urbanization.

Also, I agree that people would rather live in a slum with a chance at getting a job than live in a rural area under subsistence agriculture conditions. But when people are given basic property rights these slums have been known to evolve from huts, to huts with siding, to huts with merchant alleys, to somewhat better buildings. In short they can evolve into something better. Communities eventually form and put down some cement here and some drainage there and if the government is not completely corrupt and decides to bulldoze them, they can put in infrastructure. Over time, one person who gets a better job sells his hut to another person with a better job so first guy can move and second guy can expand his property.

I man not saying that slums are good, but they are not necessarily a step backwards. Encouraging more decentralized urbanization in smaller towns and cities can help take the pressure off big city slums. That requires investment in connective infrastructure like roads, small scale water and power systems and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urbanization is not all about moving everyone to the two biggest cities. While major cities do get a lot of the new urban dwellers, moving from a tiny cluster of huts to a tiny town in a form of urbanization.</p>
<p>Also, I agree that people would rather live in a slum with a chance at getting a job than live in a rural area under subsistence agriculture conditions. But when people are given basic property rights these slums have been known to evolve from huts, to huts with siding, to huts with merchant alleys, to somewhat better buildings. In short they can evolve into something better. Communities eventually form and put down some cement here and some drainage there and if the government is not completely corrupt and decides to bulldoze them, they can put in infrastructure. Over time, one person who gets a better job sells his hut to another person with a better job so first guy can move and second guy can expand his property.</p>
<p>I man not saying that slums are good, but they are not necessarily a step backwards. Encouraging more decentralized urbanization in smaller towns and cities can help take the pressure off big city slums. That requires investment in connective infrastructure like roads, small scale water and power systems and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: rahul</title>
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		<dc:creator>rahul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well I do think it&#039;s really easy to create infrastructure in an urban milieu than in a rural one, and there are comparatively more job opportunities there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well I do think it&#8217;s really easy to create infrastructure in an urban milieu than in a rural one, and there are comparatively more job opportunities there.</p>
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		<title>By: Prashant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prashant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&gt;&gt; implications of the migration shift could be destructive, from family issues to shifts in labor markets to environmental impacts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Atanu might defend his position better but my take is that  when he talks about urbanization of the Indian population, he isn&#039;t talking about migrations to existing cities.

His RISC model is about providing infrastructure services, that exist in typical urbanized environments, to a rural area. Thus enabling the rural area to catalyze economic growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&gt;&gt; implications of the migration shift could be destructive, from family issues to shifts in labor markets to environmental impacts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Atanu might defend his position better but my take is that  when he talks about urbanization of the Indian population, he isn&#8217;t talking about migrations to existing cities.</p>
<p>His RISC model is about providing infrastructure services, that exist in typical urbanized environments, to a rural area. Thus enabling the rural area to catalyze economic growth.</p>
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